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From: Francis R Bridge <bridge@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 02 Feb 2000 18:22:10 -0600
Organization: Motorola CIG
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
cangel@famvid.com writes:
The most recent citations were not made by Frank da Cruz, they were made by
me, Frank Bridge.
> FD>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
>
> FD>> On 1900-01-25 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:
>
> FD>> JD>>JRD> 486 and Pentium motherboards are basically free
> FD>> JD>>JRD> for the asking...
>
> FD>> You see Michel said this was not an option and was
> FD>> ignored. The folklore of free `486s is probably true if
> FD>> you work in academia where they get new equipment for free
> FD>> or in the government where they place no value on what
> FD>> they no longer require. For the rest of us even scrap
> FD>> metal has a price tag.
>
> FD> No need to work for the government or academia. Try any of
> FD> the *. forsale groups - many people are selling 486's for
> FD> less than $30 or giving them away outright. Even for
> FD> someone earning the minimum wage, the $30 would quickly
> FD> repay itself in reduced boot time and sanity over a 8088.
>
> You completely ignored that it was not an option. This is
> probably the third or fourth time it has been ignored.
>
> I made the mistake of mentioning money and gave you an
> alternate subject to discuss. I realize it was a mistake.
>
> First they are free, then $30. At some point we will get to the
> real-world price that anything useable is about $100.
>
> As for earning minimum wage you're assuming that the money is
> the problem and choice has no value. There is the assumption
> that because you enjoy newer systems _everybody_ does. Do you
> have a friend who restores old automobiles and do you tell him
> he should buy something newer?
>
> Most of the time this is fun for me and a few others who also
> enjoy doing it the old-fashioned way.
>
> As for earning minimum wage, you probably don't think about it
> often but I keep finding myself communicating via email with
> shut-ins who are handicapped and cannot even earn minimum wage.
> Their income is probably below minimum wage, I don't ask them.
>
> They know I won't knock their equipment or tell them to get
> something better I guess?
Who was knocking equipment? Are you saying that an XT is not obsolete?
Well, I don't want to argue the definition, but saying a device is obsolete
and knocking it are not the same thing.
I attempted to offer options for those who cannot afford a recent machine.
You implied that the only way to get free material is if you work of
academia or the government. I simply stated that that is not true and gave
you an avenue to pursue cheap or *FREE* material that is more recent than
what someone may be using.
>
> FD> If one still can't manage the cost, then politely ask on
> FD> one of those newsgroups for a machine as a donation and you
> FD> will likely get one. Myself and others have disposed of
> FD> several obsolete machines that way.
>
> Yes, Frank, you can throw away what those earning minimum wage
> cannot purchase. I'm happy for you.
Please read my post, Charles. I made no such statement or implication.
-Frank (Bridge, not da Cruz)